paying players vs non paying players

Getting to 40-45 with only blue? Or even worse, white? That's literally asking for trouble and frustration xD. IMO, purple is the lowest acceptable.

 

well stated

 

Even the predictable mobs should be killed as fast as possible ... and you can't do that with the white gear. We are not talking the twinkling (as Baragain said) way of filling the white gear with sacred stones and buying GoP's to raise the item's level.

Wrong.
As a ranger one thing i loved during the free premium time ... that is suicidal kamikaze runs. Rangers and SW's this way can clear any map "snap" just like that ... in no time.

Nothing is meaningless.

I think you didn't explored enough the power of the premium. Getting bunch of sacred stones for 10 euros per month is a HUGE boost ... not just feature for leveling a character.

 

It is challenging to level with white gear, slow for sure, but possible. I don't recommend it now with the free IDing. You certainly don't need premium for the free pinks from cubes to level. You should receive enough pinks while leveling doing quests.

Ranger and SW's suicide bombs are great for clearing maps. I addressed this earlier in my post Edit: Ranger's don't benefit as much as SW when they are not trying to die on purpose. I find SW tend to die a lot more than RA in general during parallel world maps before they become fully geared, hence free revivals. Also want to add that at level 45, you really should aim to farm HoD (and bosses) for pinks/glyph to advance your character. Other maps (farming) are not a great use of your time (unless for realm frags/blue essence). Given that (for HOD), you'll find it pretty slow trying to clear with suicide bombs, even with red essence. I still stand by what I said earlier, free revival is used for mistakes (and strategic revivals to save travel time) rather than for suicide bombs. Therefore, for DK/RA, not as useful.

And lastly, as with all rng drops, it is all luck. Some people prefer the guarantee of purchase of what they want/need (rubies/sapphires) while others prefer to give in to luck (sacred stones are incredibly rare...). It's all based on preference. I gave my opinion on the matter.

 

He was saying the extra fame is meaningless once you've hit the max (i.e. one of the features of Premium can be redundant, not the whole of it). But anyway, that doesn't render Premium useless. I mean, OK some are at max. lv. in the PvP tree, but it'd be selfish for them to complain about having one less feature, since there's so many who aren't lv40 there. That'd be like maximum-lv. players saying they are at a disadvantage since they get one less thing from mobs: XP.

Regarding the first thing, I simply cannot imagine leveling with full white/green gear unless twinking, as it's been pointed out already. Then, for a growing character, getting faster exo. or leg. items is definitely a boost. While leveling and doing quests, your drops are up to your luck, therefore the cubes are a much easier way of acquiring higher rarity gear. Just visit one of the low-level cities, and see differences between non-Premium low-levels, and Premium low-levels (for example, seeing a lv20 non-Premium only with blues and one-two purples, or a Premium lv20 with full-purple and the occasional legendary - probably most of them acquired from cubes... there is a quite stark difference).
Secondly, however, the gems are the real deal with Premium. As it's been said by the likes of BigPapa & trakilaki (mentioning only them since they are the two whom I've recently seen pointing out the importance of gems from cubes on the forums), they help immensely in building a good character. If I had had Premium for the whole while I've played so far, my gems would probably be at least full-Radiant, but as I'm completely F2P (only bought 3.3k Ander one single time, via SMS, because I had leftover credit on my phone that was going to expire the next day... in any other case, no money from me to the game), so they're not xD.

 

I like premium as much as the next guy and I definitely see the benefits over non-premiums. But are the benefits more than the cost at level 45? That's up for debate. I guess if one farms/plays a lot, then yes. Otherwise, probably best just buy what you want from the shop instead of spending on monthly premium.

 

I have been playing the game for a very long time. The players with premium alone are very strong pretty fast. I question your source of info. Some reason you think a person that is free to play will out gear someone that is pay to play lacks prof. The show your toon posts don't show you two people that play the same time invested in the game and their differance.

Truth a pay player 5 mins in the game is not going to be more powerful than you are now... If they continue to play they will get items that will surpass you rather quickly. I have seen free players some of them really strong but they have 2 years or more invested into the game. A pay player with a year invested will be as strong or stronger from what I have seen.

 

Well, if one can afford the purchase and has time to actually make something off of it, sure it's worth it.

Did you just say you disagree with him, then proceed to rephrase the phrase of his that you quoted?

 

i like permium it also applies to my other 3 toons, which i just found out last month so now everyday i log in to the other toons to collect the rewards and i change the daily quest to kill 100 npc-s/250 knowlegde and got the 3 toons all a horse now i just login and collect untill 1 day i will play them, by then they will have heaps of gems and chests waiting for them. also the xtra inventory space is great for low lvl toons and the free respawn in most maps

another reason i like premium is to respawn when i die in some maps for free which saves on time and andermant the cubes are also nice to collect. I do the premium on a monthly basis with automatic payment and its peanuts. in my country 15 cigarettes cost more then 1 month premium.

what i dont like about paying is that to pay for premium i have set up 1 click payment status, but every now and again i get a 1 time special offer that i can buy ander for 30% discount but its a different pop-up menu and the 1 click payment doesnt work in the special offer pop-up so i would like to buy the special offer but i dont bother because i cant use the 1 click pay option.

and lets be thankfull and not envious for the players that spend big on this game so that way it will continue.

 

I am thankful if they mind their business, aren't arrogant, mocking and don't think they're the most important things on Earth. If they use their power to help others from time to time and don't just bash the hard-workers for not being insta-OP (because if you don't pay, getting good takes time, you know). Bottom line is that if you're a decent person, people will not hate on you for having spent money. Sadly, a great part of the payers, especially the heavy ones, get very nasty towards others because they got ultimate strength through the easy way - and that's what brings them hate.

 

No free players will never catch up to pay players... He said they can and surpass...

Very well put. Yes all I do is help others. My focus is to help build them up also. In this game when you have one really strong toon you have 2 options... Only group with people that is as strong as you or help others get as strong as you... You have to play it smart. If someone is only around for 2 weeks then it is fruitless to provide them a ton of help. Others that will be on here forever helping them is key to success...

 

Exactly.

 

You basically summarized what I said earlier with your previous post. It is possible if F2P spends vastly more time at this game than the P2P. Of course, if they both spend approximately the same amount of time, P2P will definitely without a doubt surpass F2P.

The more time you spend playing this game, the better the benefits you get out of that monthly premium.

I guess you worded it a lot better than I. Judging from the posts, a lot of people are assuming I meant 1:1 ratio of time spent for P2P vs F2P.

Just to clarify one more time, F2P is capable of surpassing P2P if the F2P spends a lot more time farming than the P2P. For 1:1 ratio of time spent, it is, of course, not possible.

 

The only way I can see a free to play surpassing is if they play everyday and a premium plays weekends. That would not make since to me bc of the daily rewards. Once a player pays for premium they try to play more.

 

... or ... the P2P dude is playing 5 minutes per week (and those 5 minutes are arena fights) and the F2P plays 20 hours per day every single day.
I these kind of situations F2P can catch up with the P2P ... otherwise I don't think so.

 

another way to look at this is:
you can buy ander to buy the top Gems and open all gem slots in gear. as well as upgrade.

how many free players have all the top gems and all slots opened on gear and upgrades?
i know i don't,i been playing for a couple years now F2p. Only way to catch up is to Pay Up.

 

For an example I have none.
As for the slots ... I have all items that I use with 5 slots. It is more efficient to put another stone rather than upgrade the existing ones in item with less slots.

 

Just because you are P2P doesn't mean all your gems will be royal or something. Most P2P don't go past flawless as it becomes too expensive, and a F2P who has been playing for 2 years or more can surely get his gems atleast to radiant or more. I think the average amount of ander you can farm per Q3 run is around 250 and it only takes about 20 mins with a decent group, so even with a bad hour it would be atleast 500. Only playing 4 hours a day (there's people who play a lot more, even some who claim to easily farm over 1m glyphs a day), you would be getting 2k ander, which would total over 700k ander a year. Obviously, it's not realistic to expect someone to farm 2k andermant every day consistently, but even at only 500 ander per day along with the gem drops, event gems and such you can easily get atleast half of your gems to flawless.

No, a F2P won't catch up to a P2P unless this one is extremely lazy, but it is certainly possible for an old player who is purely F2P to be competing with atleast 95% of the players. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you farmed 100k ander or bought them, the effect it will have on your character will be the same.

 

When people spend money it is 75% gems 10% slots and 15% mounts pets event items ect...

 

and then ofcourse there is the P2W players